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== Rfc: Deprecation of the image and imageleft parameters ==
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'''''Involved, informal close''': I am informally closing this discussion as '''snow oppose'''. It wasn't really an RFC, and I am involved in the discussion, but I hope it won't be objectionable for me to put a hat on this discussion.'' – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:35, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

The <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters to be deprecated --[[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|talk]]) 16:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

When looking at many navboxes such as [[Template:Donald Trump]], these images violate [[WP:DECOR]], and the <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters should be deprecated and not to be used for new work. This is a statement from [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Encyclopedic purpose|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons §&nbsp;Encyclopedic purpose]] on when and when not to use images in articles:

<blockquote>Icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative. They should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation. Icons should not be added only because they look good: one reader's harmless decoration may be another reader's distraction. An icon is purely decorative if it does not improve comprehension of the article subject and serves no navigational function. Where icons are used for layout purposes only, consider using bullet points as an alternative.</blockquote>

In order to comply with the [[WP:DECOR]] guideline, I think deprecating the <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters would make more sense than having to create a guideline inside [[Wikipedia:Navigation template#Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative|Wikipedia:Navigation template §&nbsp;Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative]]. --[[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|talk]]) 16:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
=== Survey ===
*'''Oppose''' as written. The images at [[Template:Donald Trump]] are not icons. The OP appears to misunderstand what an [[Icon (computing)]] is. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 22:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Per {{noping|Jonesey95}}  - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 22:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', nothing about images in the language, only icons. Apples and baked potatoes. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 01:24, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', been here, discussed this. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 02:42, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' that prohibition on icons only applies to the article body. Otherwise, templates such as {{tl|refimprove}} and {{tl|Footy-stub}} would also be in violation. <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 16:32, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===
* Documenting what, if any, [[WP:RFCBEFORE]] has taken place, would be appreciated. Also, this discussion though named an RFC does not have a {{tl|rfc}} and I do not know if that is intentional. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:44, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
* This proposal has already been formulated at [[Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates/Archive 16#Images in navboxes (again)]]. For starters, the quoted page is about '''icons''' and does not apply here. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 02:41, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
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==Sync with sandbox==
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Better table semantics ([[Template:Navbox with columns]]' column headers now use <code><nowiki><th></nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki><td></nowiki></code>).  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 13:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

{{done}}—Please report any issues. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Derived template does not update links ==

In template [[Template:Bilasuvar District]]  I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ABilasuvar_District&diff=1328786952&oldid=1260638899 disambiguated one item]. I know ity usually takes some time to propagate the backlinks, it usually takes a couple hours. But in this case nearly 24h passed, and still wrong [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ashim "pages that link to"]. When I click on the chanhed item in template, [Ashim, Azerbaijan|Ashim] it opens correct page, but this page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ashim,_Azerbaijan is not linked] from other artiicles tgaht contain this template. Any suggestions? --[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 20:33, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
:Patience is the best answer. The job queue will get to it in somewhere between a few hours and a few days, usually. If you are impatient, you can null-edit the affected pages. I have done so for you. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:55, 24 December 2025 (UTC)

== Mobile view wanted ==

Hello, when I asked earlier on the help desk ([[Special:PermaLink/1342484613#Navigation template doesn't show up in mobile view]]) about the fact that navboxes don't show up in the mobile view, I learned from another Wikimedian that this is by design. He also hinted at the possibility of using personal CSS to enable it. So far, I found mentions of why that design was made in a way to be hidden on mobile views in [[Template talk:Navbox/Archive 18#Not visible in App]] from 2015, [[Template talk:Navbox/Archive 22#Navbox not displaying on mobile sites]] from 2018 and [[phab:T124168]] from 2024, summarising, it's apparently due to the intent of reducing the amount of transmitted data and possibly also issues with screen sizes. Well, wouldn't it be time to reconsider it, now, in 2026?<br />
Usual mobile devices now have a screen resolution equal or better to full HD and even in Germany with its comparatively high priced mobile data transfers, a few KB of additional HTML per page would be imperceptible within the common data flat rates of several GB per month (the tracking ad pestilence is much more data hungry).
Anyway, I'd be glad if at least somebody could tell me what CSS is needed to enable these navboxes for me in mobile view! I didn't see any instruction for it either in the TP archive nor on Phabricator. Regards, [[User:Grand-Duc|Grand-Duc]] ([[User talk:Grand-Duc|talk]]) 06:25, 9 March 2026 (UTC) (PS. Please ping me in any answer as I'm actually more of a regular on Commons and DE-WP)

:There is no CSS which enables them in mobile view. As noted, the intent is to reduce the HTML load, and it happens the way this is done is to remove the HTML entirely from the page. (Which is realistically the only way such a thing could be implemented.)
:Remember that you, as a contributor from a developed country, do not have the same restrictions on hardware and data infrastructure as people in developing countries. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:24, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
::And it turns out it is not a "few" KBs, the price is substantial for a construct which has little to no benefit for the vast majority of mobile {{em|readers}}. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:25, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
:::My "developed country" is, in fact, in my opinion somewhat behind when speaking about mobile internet. Our local right-wing parties already stoke ressentiment against refugees also because they usually own quite high-end smartphones - but that's disregarding that we autochthones have access to landlines, desktop computers and public authority offices, whereas immigrants do rely upon their device for everything: communicating, banking, organising everyday life, etc. So, it's no wonder that they have a single device fit for holding an entire life.
:::Additionally, navboxes are things that would likely benefit ''readers'' much more than editors: in a book, we're turning pages, on Wikipedia, we're clicking navigation links. For casually browsing, reading and learning, navboxes are important, I'd say. Regards, [[User:Grand-Duc|Grand-Duc]] ([[User talk:Grand-Duc|talk]]) 10:58, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:On my Android tablet in Chrome I can turn on desktop view (bottom of screen). That makes navboxes visible though I am glad they are at the end of articles where I can easily ignore them. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 11:06, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::The importance of navboxes as maps to their Wikipedia topics remains a key component feature of original Wikipedia. Mobile readers are missing these maps, and one present-time solution may be to add a line on each mobile view that the maps exist and can be viewed on desktop/laptops. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 11:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Thincat|Thincat]]: I certainly know about the mobile/desktop view switch. Actually, the desktop view of the watchlist (for me: on Commons) is a bit more comfortable, as it condenses category changes (e.g. for [[:c:Category:Media requiring renaming]], where you have an item for each change in "mobile", but a summary like "14:34 / Category:Media requiring renaming 52 / changes" in "desktop"). On the other hand, the font size and page layout for an article body makes for a more comfortable reading in the mobile view. I still maintain that the best of both worlds would be having the navboxes in the mobile view, too. Regards, [[User:Grand-Duc|Grand-Duc]] ([[User talk:Grand-Duc|talk]]) 12:39, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Randy Kryn}} Here's an idea. We have the link as you suggested, but it takes the reader to the navbox template, exactly as if a normal user had clicked the "v" link of the "v-t-e" group. The navbox in the template either has (a) an additional class inside {{tag|noinclude}} which makes the navbox visible for mobile users, or it has (b) modified behaviour in [[Module:Navbox/styles.css]] for the existing <code>navbox</code> class so that it's visible on the template page, but still not in articles. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:43, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Bug in anchors for navboxes with markup in title ==

There's a issue at {{slink|Template talk:Authority control#Odd HTML anchor}} due to [[Module:Navbox]] using the navbox title to produce anchors even when the title has complex markup. Perhaps [[Module:Navbox]] needs an optional anchor parameter to use instead of the navbox title? [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 19:32, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

:It seems this was first [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Navbox&diff=prev&oldid=730005287 added] in 2016 &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:57, 23 April 2026 (UTC)